Come visit us at: 1858remington.com Johnnnie Roper,Alias:Gunslinger9378, yup agree totally been doin bp for almost a half century myself n this is an excellent way to clean them your guy needs to foam elsewhere apparently that foam might dribble onto a bun n rust right through it to the table underneath after all foam is water lol. ). So based upon my experience, ASM is a solid hit or a wide miss. New in Box-never fired. Click on the "Full Description" fore more info. Armi San Marco Reproduction 1858 Revolver I have done extensive testing of Black Powder guns and have a webpage with my collected Energy Data here: http://poconoshooting.com/blackpowderballistics.html. If youre not lucky, then youve got a tear in your femoral artery and only a few minutes to stop the bleeding before youre introduced to Eliphalet Remington at that great gun factory in the sky. After just 2 shots it seizes up and wont cock. .44 Caliber 8in Blued Octagonal Barrel Brass Guard Walnut Grip Steel Frame Top Strap/Post Sights Overall Length: 14.5in Weighs: 2.75 pounds Model: FR18582 WHY CUSTOMERS CHOSE THIS ITEM Specifications Questions & THERE ARE NO .45 Colt; 98% blue, very good+ bore, near mint grips, 3'' barrel, UBERTI CATTLEMAN REPRODUCTION OF A COLT SHERIFS MODEL IN EXCELLENT USED CONDITION. THE BLUING IS NEAR FLAWLESS. A nice write-up and while it may be legal to take deer with the load described I would note that said load has less power than the 44-40 out of a m-92 carbine, a close range proposition to be sure. They make the guns for Chiappa now and the quality is still the worst out of Italy. Hes got an 1858 Remington in each hand, and looks like at least two more on his belt. 1876 Rifle Manual. What size/type primers are best? Range, of course, is quite limited. My advice is to buy the gun and cylinder, forget that the combination will cost about the same as a modern revolver and enjoy the heck out of it. It is all nickle, less the cylinder and plunger, which are gold, and a walnut grip. WebDescription: Remington Model 1858 New Model Army Revolver, .44 caliber. Youll love it! Brass front sight, notched hammer rear sight. A) Armi San Marco 1858 New Model Percussion Revolver. Remington with 40 grains. I shot it again in the side and it stop rolling around. WebArmi San Marco ASM 2nd Model Dragoon ASM 1847 Walker ASM 1849 Pocket ASM 1849 Wells Fargo ASM 1858 1863 pocket ASM 1860 Army ASM 1861 Navy ASM 1862 1849 Wells Fargo ASM 1873 Single Action ASM 1892 Categories Armi San Marco Beretta Pedersoli Uberti Pietta Armi Sport [Chiappa] IAB [Pedretti] Sharps KIRST February 24, 2015 in SASS Wire. Web44 Caliber; very good+ bore, good grips, 7.75'' barrel, Pietta .44 caliber Remington 1858 style six shot black powder revolver in nickel plate finish. ; 98% blue, excellent bore, excellent+ grips, 7 1/2'' barrel, UBERTI REPRODUTION OF A COLT 1872 OPEN TOP REVOLVER IN EXCELLENT+ CONDITION. The thing now runs great, and I enjoy shooting it when I do. It was late at night and I could hear my dog fighting with something. Finish in very good condition with some scratches and nicks. Just make sure that you compress the powder with the ball when you press it into the cylinder. In the original box serial numbered to the gun. THE BLUING IS NEAR FLAWLESS AS IS THE CASE COLORED FRAME AND HAMMER. Finally, different guns will perform differently with different sized balls (or conicals), and that is something to experiment with as well. With heavier charges, its good to go when trying to put Bambis mother in the freezer. They now make a 92 rifles, but it does function better than the old ASM 92's. Anyway it worked, never had a problem since. The lead ring around the chamber seems really tight. Thanks for giving some info on the handgun side of the black powder world. Mounted Shooting 1873 Rifle Cleaning Instructions. In between, he was granted US Patent No. Pietta and Uberti cylinders do not interchange. Cleaned properly, and loaded properly, a Remington Style Percussion Revolver, can be as reliable as a modern Cartridge gun. Not only is that the right way to hunt, deer that go down fast and clean taste better. In my opinion, I don t think its enough. Safety pins, safety notches, po-TAY-tow, po-TOT-owe. If you slip when cocking the hammer you can set a cap off. A great design of a pistol. I got them from EMF. THE .44 Spec. Fordyce Beals. But, since he doesn't shoot "cowboy" any more it's part of my backup pair to my main Colt guns). Finish in very good condition with some scratches and nicks. Mausers, Lee Enfields, Mosins, Krags etc. Today, we know Old Number 21478 as the Remington 1858 . Contact Fingers McGee or Driftwood Johnson. The nature of the weapon makes no difference; one is just as deadly, and in the same way as the other. It's not my "go to" rifle, (that is an AWA Lightning) but now that it's been worked on, it's a nice one. Any gun made before Jan 1 1999 i is an antique gun, and requires no involvement of an FFL holder. Remington made a cartridge conversion in .46 rimfire, after they ponied up the royalty fee to Smith & Wesson and their fancy-pants bored-through revolver cylinders for metallic cartridges. Selleck also used a Winchester 1876, and there are various Winny models all over town. Visit Our Site and Get Your Favorite Actors or Actresses Outfits now at the best prices. This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies. Oh, and dont use your telephone to order them, either. This gun was thoroughly rebuilt by Oglesby & Oglesby and is a fine revolver having had the cylinder and hammer re-hardened, and wire springs installed, including the Ruger style coil handspring and plunger. How about a five year old 1851 Navy, to a current 1861 Navy? They were based primarily on the early 1st. I do have to give credit to ASM for the fact that most of their reproductions were historically correct. All Armi San Marco black powder cap and ball and cartridge conversion models were discontinued in 2000. The conversion cylinder is indeed just a part, and can be bought anywhere any time any place. Later David. Gauge: 44 percussion. Action functions fine., s/n 0181xx. To sum up, if you want a gun that you can use for Years, Pass it onto your Son, or maybe even your Grandson, buy a steel framed Remington Style Revolver from Either Pietta, or A.Uberti & Son, and with due care and respect, the gun will last several lifetimes! WebRemington 1858 Armi San Marco 44 Black powder loading and shooting 4,144 views May 17, 2015 37 Dislike Share Save Harri Miettinen 68 subscribers Subscribe Shooting 1885 High Wall Manual. I have been told of caps jamming up a Remington Revolver, but in over Twenty Years of shooting Remingtons, have not had a single jam caused by a cap! Manuals & Instructions Red Coats Get Run Off. WOW , thanks for the history , I do see parts ,lighter springs even cylinders for these guns BUT not with the ASM manufacture ,parts are crossed to gun type like "1851 navy" ,would one say theres a strong chance they would work in ASM brand "1851 navy" ? Perfect for display and target shooting. How interchangeable are Uberti gun parts Cimarron Thunderer and I got my first 58 Remington in 1989 for Christmas ($99 from Cabelas). Two Armi San Marco 1858 New Model Percussion Revolvers Auction Date: May 25, 2022. WebASM Hammer (1858) Check Stock Price US$38.50 Quantity Item 2 Code 111ASM002 Description Asm Hammer (1863 Pocket) Check Stock Price US$24.20 Quantity Item 3 On the other hand if you order over the Internet, there is a very high probability that at least one U.S. alphabet agency will have a record of your activity. Customer Service. A.S.M Remington 1858 -drop safety-Hammer- - Z52749, Lussignoli Renzo W.Parker/ London Reproduction - C53215, A. Uberti & C. 1872 Open Top Web* Armi San Marco, copy of Remington Model 1858, .44 cal, s/n 61367, black powder revolver. Im 75, so I move a bit slower than earlier today. If you look closely during that scene, you can see the metallic cartridge loading gate cut into the 1858, as well as the metallic cartridges themselves peeking out of the cylinder that Preacher grabs with his left hand. Web1858 Remington, Richards Mason & Open Top Conversion Manual. I bought a pietta model 1858 used and still havent fired it yet. By the way; it is a pretty decent movie in the class with Quiggley Down Under.almost. I found Uberti cap & call cylinders a drop-in fit in both Uberti and Colt 1st, 2nd and 3rd gen Navies and Armies. Armi San Marco was a family owned gun maker in Brescia, Italy. Ive got an Uberti rep with the brass frame, so loading above 25g of triple eff aint recommended. Mmmmmmlightly-grilled, corn-fed Bambis mother backstrap.mmmmmmm. Loved the pics too. He then shoots it. Gauge: 44 percussion. 44 BP; fair bore, good stock, 4'' barrel, Made in Spain. 1858 Remington Cap and ball Left grip has a chip of wood missing at the pin on the back edge. I boil all my cylinders in a saucepan, and pour boiling water through the barrels of the guns. But always remember that the original buffal0 rifles were all black powder cartridges. THE FRAME , HAMMER AND RAMROD ASSEMBLY RETAIN APPROX 94% OF .45 Colt; 98% blue, near mint bore, very good grips, 7 1/2'' barrel, UBERTI REPRODUCTION OF A REMINGTON MODEL 1875 ARMY REVOLVER IN EXCELLENT OVERALL CONDITION. Also, using silicon-impregnated caliber-specific wads between powder and ball forecloses having to smear grease into the chamber mouth re: chain firing. I do remember an article about this first revolver in that it was so exactly copied from an original that even experienced Colt collectors had difficulty in telling the prototype from an original. But on my wish-they-would-make list a 5-shot .50 Old Army designed for sabot bullets and 50-grain Pydrodex pellets. Manufacturer: ARMI SAN MARCO. He took the gun back. Most of the pieces are in a ziploc bag saved for what purpose I don't know. WebBuy a Armi San Marco 1858 Remington Replica Italian made .44 Remington 1858 Replica by manufacturer Armi San Marco. Anyone have any experience with hunting large animals with cap and ball guns? COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. 1885 Low Wall Manual. The standard pistol primer is an 11, but if it does not fit tightly and has to be squeezed to make it stay on, you have the wrong size. FRONT SIGHT IS MISSING. New in Box-never fired. I noticed in the latest Taylors catalog that they are also using the name Armi in, front of the Chiappa name in that catalog. I have a Uberti 1847 Walker. Second, every forum has those who will not allow an absence of knowledge interfere with their conveyance of information. A) Armi San Marco 1858 New Model Percussion Revolver. After the first range trip, i tore it down to the last screw and cleaned/oiled the whole thing and still wound up with some rust on it when I put it back together the next day. THE BLUING ON THE OCTAGONAL BARREL SHOWS FRECKLING ALONG WITH LIGHT MUZZLE WEAR. These models have steel frames with German silver plated backstrap and trigger guard, inspectors cartouche on grip, and trade for approximately $20-$40 higher than standard Pew Poll: Gun Control Losing Steam, Money and Popularity, Gun Review: Smith & Wesson Model 317 Kit Gun .22LR Revolver, New From ShaloTek: P320 Compensated Slide, The 3 Most Important Handgun Shooting Stances to Learn, http://www.taylorsfirearms.com/blackpowder-revolvers/1851-1861-navy-collection/1851-navy-steel-36-5-octagonal-barrel-steel-case-hardened-frame-brass-backstrap-trigger-guard-model-002.html, Johnnie Roper (Gunslinger9378 on the 1858Remington.com Forum. I purchased it new from EMF in 1986. Told the gunsmith I did not want a race gun, I just wanted it to work. WebThis conversion cylinder assembly will convert your 1858 Remington ASM, Uberti or Pietta steel or brass .44 cap and ball revolver to fire .22 cartridges. Excellent shape with no not for sale by BuffaloHunter4 on GunsAmerica.com the best online marketplace for buying and selling semi auto pistols, firearms, accessories, and collectibles : 972952045 The same dimensional differences for width, etc will occur with the triggerguard and backstrap at the frame, but the screw pattern is always right on. You know youve got a good, airtight seal in the chamber when the mouth of the cylinder shaves a small lead ring off the edge as you seat the ball. Estimated Price: $400 - $600. Colt .36 with 21 grains. Any gun made before Jan 1 1999 i is an antique gun, and requires no involvement of an FFL holder. I had a pawl spring break on my late 1980's era EMF 1860 (Armi San Marco). Only Fordyce was very real born in Massachusetts and died in Connecticut. I would advise ANYONE beginning Black Powder Revolver Shooting, do NOT ever buy the Colt Style Guns, and steer WELL AWAY, from any Cap &Ball Revolver that has a Brass Frame! Traditions 1858 Army Remington .44Cal Black Powder Revolver Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Mechanically fine., s/n C216xx, 44 BP; 90% blue, good bore, good grips, 7.5'' barrel, Made in Italy. THINNING VISIBLE ON BARREL NEAR MUZZLE. Fine quality pistol, exhibits high standards of Theyll NEVER rust this way. It has never been fired, came in the original box with the original booklet, and is in excellent condition. These are considered antiques and not subject to paper work. WebRemington Rolling Block; Remington Lee; 1865 Springfield (1st Allin) 1866 Springfield (2nd Allin) 1868-70 Springfield (50/70) 1873-1889 Springfield (45/70) 1873 Winchester; 1885 Winchester; 1895 Winchester Lee Navy; Winchester Hotchkiss; Winchester Model 61; Winchester Model 62; Winchester Model 86; Winchester Model 90/06; Winchester While the Colt has been called the Peacemaker forever, I don't think Colt ever used the name. Youre reloaded. Armi San Marco first started making a Colt 1873 replica in the middle 1980s. However, I am 99% sure this is an Armi San Marco because my Armi San Marco cylinders cycle, time and lock perfectly in this pistol and Armi San Marco took some bad rep. toward the end of the Companys run. oops! 1858 Remington Chat with us; Phone us at (616) 432-6640 . Grips STAINLESS FINISH SHOWS MINISCULE HANDLING WEAR. Armi San Marco 1858 Remington Black In the case of a revolver it isnt nearly as serious as making a machine gun, obviously, but still illegal, ATF requires any receiver that takes modern manufacture ammunition to be given a serial number and registered, and must be someone who is legally able to alter and build firearms under state and fed law. Second Media Inc., 30800 Telegraph Rd, Suite 1921, Bingham Farms, MI 48025 USA. Bluing shows some wear and 45 Caliber; 95% blue, very good bore, very good stock, 10'' barrel, Mendi .45 caliber black powder reproduction single shot pistol. The conversion cylinders may be purchased only through an FFL, as the change makes the pistol no longer a relic as it fires readily available modern ammo. Shooting, Reading, Riding my Horses, Maintaining my Ranch, Conversing With Friends and Family, Fixing Guns, (good) Old Western Movies, CAS, guns and shooting, guitar, reading, writing, CAS, shooting of any kind, music, baseball, THINGS THAT GO BANG! He would also GIVE to Government Officials, very fine engraved Pistols, beautifully engraved with Silver of Gold, to U.S. To add to the confusion Chiappa did purchase the 92 rifle tooling and left over parts from ASM. I love the old cap and ball revolvers. ASM was so bad, even ASM parts seldom fit. Minor handling dings - see photos Standard 8" octagon barrel. Used, grip strap wear and shows handling. Turned out the Chaparral "factory" was just across the street and run by the gun shop's son . The 1858 Remington has safety notches cut into the cylinder in between the nipples, giving the un-cocked hammer a place to rest thats not on a percussion cap. Serves the same purpose as putting lube over the ball as described in the article, but with less mess, and assists in proper compression with lighter loads. So feel free to experiment. Take that, and cross reference it the list below. Would barrel, cylinders, etc. I've thought I might make a lamp out of it one day. He took the gun back. Despite my kill, in my opinion, its not strong enough but fun as a backup which is why I used it. The safety notch feature makes it easy to safely carry a fully-loaded 1858 Remington. Original blued finish, case colored frame, brass trigger guard and backstrap. I had a Peacekeeper ASM and also a Longhorn in .45, never had trouble with them but I didn't have them very long, I sold them and bought my first Colt! You should have. In the .44 version, each of the six chambers can hold up to 40 grains of black powder. surrounded by 9 .44 chambers. Retail $300. Fine. I considered making a set of lamps out of them but decided to give them away at 1/3 of what I paid for them. I also don't hestate to loan it to others. Im 66 years old and I have been wanting to get a 1858black powder for a while now but because I live in Illinois I cant get no one to order me one . Bluing on the barrel is in very 36 Caliber; 92% blue, very good bore, very good grips, 7.5'' barrel, Westerner's Arms 1851 Navy 6 shot revolver, .36 caliber black powder. Regular gun solvents cant remove the black powder salts. Remington 1858 Armi San Marco Armi San Marco 1858 1858 Remington Cap and ball In the .44 version, each of the six chambers can hold up to 40 grains of black powder. Any help would be appreciated. Just my opinion. The .44 Remmington is a very strong gun. I ended up giving it to an NRA black powder teacher to use for show and tell, (to show his class how to ruin a beautiful piece by not properly cleaning before long term storage). I also have an open top revolver and an 1873 rifle that are Uberti. FINISH SHOWS MODERATE HANDLING WEAR WITH MODERATE WEAR, SPECKLING AND LIMITED PITTING VISIBLE ON THE CYLINDER. I have heard it all about these weapons not having the power to stop anything bigger than a deer or coyotes. I started out with 10 to 15 grains, then worked up. Remington. Estimated Price: $400 - $600. 1899. And thats part of the beauty of cap-and-ball revolvers; you can vary the powder charge any time you wantlight loads for plinking, and heavy loads for whatever. The new value of an ARMI SAN MARCO pistol has fallen ($12.95) dollars over the past 12 months to a price of $286.19 . A pietta .36 target sighted Remington 1858 was a beautiful pistol but I could not get it to shoot accurately. The 1858 Remington-Beals got the nod because of the top strap (previous buy didnt, Navy in .36) and it came with an extra cylinder. I have a pair of ASM-made and marked, EMF Hartford Colt reproduction revolvers in .45 Colt, 5 1/2" barrels. I taught my neighbors son (after he turned 18) how to shoot black powder with my 1858 and he fell in love with the revolver, so I gave him a new one for college graduation. But, Armi Sport is still in business (under a new name). The cylinders are pricey, it cost as much as the gun, but I have gotten over the price and enjoy the heck out of shooting and reloading 45s. The only real lemon was an ASM. Pietta "1858" CCH Hammer with lowered Spur by Ol' #4 30.00 + 2.75 shipping via USPS Selling as a set: Pietta Hammer, Trigger, Hand w/spring, Bolt/Trigger Spring and Hammer Spring 23.00 shipped. One can shoot all day on a pittance. Still have one that is now a back up. Hot water dissolves the salts in black powder fouling and heats the metal so it dryes fast and prevents flash rust. But it's action Oh, it's action REALLY stank. As neat as that would seem it can also be a curse. The 12 month average price is $290.50 new and $284.87 used. The type of man who could sell Deep Freezers and electric Fans to Eskimos! Fits .44 and .36 7.25 ea + 2.75 shipping via USPS 1 ea. Further, any muzzle loading rifle, shotgun, or pistol which is designed to use black powder or black powder substitute, and which cannot use fixed ammunition, is an antique firearm unless it (1) incorporates a firearm frame or receiver; (2) is a firearm which is converted into a muzzle loading weapon; or (3) is a muzzle loading weapon which can be readily

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