Perhaps he likes the look of offset and that's how he chooses to get it done. Its all about ball flight and gaps. I read your comments on why some bend lofts on iron sets strong and i try to swing smooth because to me swinging hard offers little to no benefit ,please remember im talking about me and not others in general , i have lost speed on my swing over the last 5 years where it was noticable to me , but i truly started losing speed after my rotator cuff and bicep tendon tear on my right arm , i cant say it was a noticable difference but that is when it started in 2010 is when i started bending all my irons strong because of lost distance because i was hitting irons 1/4 to 1/2 a club different and it progressed over the next few seasons to a full 1/2 a club or about 2 degree's and then came a hip replacement in 2014 and when i got back to playing regularly i was bending a 46 degree wedge to 43 degree / 9 iron 39 degree's and so on and i did that to try to get to the same distance i had in 2010 where i hit GW 110 / PW 120 /9 iron 130 and it progressed from there .. Lastly I thought bending irons stronger, influenced the bounce of the club as well. gonna give the "reality" recommendation so far. Please contact Patrick Gallagher at 800-437-1314 or email patrick@mitchellgolf.com. . Does the aggressive swing impart that much more dynamic loft and create that much more spin? Why is it so popular to bend your irons 2 degrees up? Titleist 712U 4i, C-Taper 120x ENTER NOW! Do you just go by the distance you hit them, and if you don't like your gaps you bend them a little? [/quote] Oddly, despite several swing changes over many years have consistently need a couple of degrees upright (Ping green code equivalnet, i think..). wil wait and see after my present promising swing changes.! [/quote] Ultimately, your answer is yes, you can do this. Golf is hard enough without a bag full of easy swings an choke downs? CallawayTCB w/ LAgolf L-series 5 Privacy Policy gonna give the "reality" recommendation so far. Believe it or not, my spin loft used to be worse, but I'm kind of in a rut right now. 7 iron 34 165 Anything more than 2 degrees and the effect on offset is noticeable Never go more than 2 degrees when making adjustments. Hi Greyson, Bending your irons strong will reduce the bounce of the club. [quote name='Dan Drake' timestamp='1441041993' post='12239944'] GIVEAWAY! Anything more than 2 degrees and the effect on offset is noticeable, TM Stealth 15 w/Ventus Red The flex will be X-stiff or XX-stiff for the strong pros who hit the ball a mile. WIth KLP on this one: bending stronger for spin reduction/trajectory is IMHO missing the point, fix impact first. If they are not bent properly you can change the lie fairly easily unintentionally. [/quote] Clear editor. [quote name='OldGolfer87' timestamp='1444324826' post='12428468'] Bending irons 2 degrees stronger | Golf Monthly This is the most important tweak you can make to your golf clubs I read your comments on why some bend lofts on iron sets strong and i try to swing smooth because to me swinging hard offers little to no benefit ,please remember im talking about me and not others in general , i have lost speed on my swing over the last 5 years where it was noticable to me , but i truly started losing speed after my rotator cuff and bicep tendon tear on my right arm , i cant say it was a noticable difference but that is when it started in 2010 is when i started bending all my irons strong because of lost distance because i was hitting irons 1/4 to 1/2 a club different and it progressed over the next few seasons to a full 1/2 a club or about 2 degree's and then came a hip replacement in 2014 and when i got back to playing regularly i was bending a 46 degree wedge to 43 degree / 9 iron 39 degree's and so on and i did that to try to get to the same distance i had in 2010 where i hit GW 110 / PW 120 /9 iron 130 and it progressed from there .. Maybe get a cheap 6 or two off eBay and try it? Now tilt the club grip end down a bit so that the club's toe comes up off the ground a fair bit and you'll see the pencil now points subtantially more leftward than before. After all, you dont want to ruin the make-up of your clubs by getting your angles wrong or by using a homemade contraption. 15% of the top 100 PGA Tour pros use stiff shafts in their irons including Hideki Matsuyama, Corey Connors, and Matt Kuchar. IMO there is no reason to start bending your Titleist strong dude. Mizuno MP30 5 - PW, AXE Excaliber stiff, Hogan Apex PC E Wedge (50*) TT DG s300 To get consistent gaps is probably the most common reason a tour player would have his lofts "tweaked". But weight is not the only trick at a club designer's disposal. The general rule of thumb is that 1* ~ 3 yards (which is why consistent 4* gaps is pretty standard). I'm guessing when most say they have been bent 2 degrees, they are talking about the loft. "Just change your swing" isn't always the answer. I'm also a very high spin player and I'm thinking this might help keep my iron distances consistent, especially when playing in the wind which I often do. None of the top 100 PGA Tour pros uses regular iron shafts. Clubs are mass-produced with certain manufacturing variances in every factory. This also means youre much less likely to screw the process up, and your clubs will be bent to perfection! So I play my irons 2 deg flat. I'm also a very high spin player and I'm thinking this might help keep my iron distances consistent, especially when playing in the wind which I often do. The Senior pros are able to compete with their graphite shafted irons, but the modern . Learn how to hit clubs different ydgsthe pros are very good at doing this Taking the next club up isn't as easy because the lengths are longer and it won't be as easy to control. 5-G Taking your irons to a pro and letting them get to work on your behalf is undoubtedly your best option. no i've struggled with a fade all season. Even with limitations, many of todays metal woods are indeed bendable, especially stainless-steel heads. Thanks. I've noticed that some of the higher launching/spinning players on tour (Rory, J-Day, etc) have their irons bent strong and I'm looking to hear some pro's and con's of doing this. So tweak to fit your gaps They sit better to my eye on the ground, the leading edge is noticeably lower and seems to line up with the hosel better (for lack of a better way to put it). I had a lot of success bringing my spin rate and trajectory down to something more playable in the wind by tweaking the lofts a little strong. Mizuno used to manufacture their iron sets with flatter lies than most OEM's partly because the average Japanese male was shorter than the average N. American male. Your previous content has been restored. Paste as plain text instead, If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. about 2-2.5 increase in bounce for 4-5 increase in loft. Whether you can still hit the ball in the air and make good contact is dependent on your swing. Can then bend the irons to get the sole level at impact - or with Ping you'll order them to suit. The #1 reason for doing this is it changes how the club will sit on the ground. I do feel like I need to improve my spin loft, but I know tweaking the clubs might help as well. Currently I'm playing 712 MB's with x100 shafts at standard loft. The key variable ( among other variables) is the distance from your wrists to the ground at address. It has to do with posture and arm length and swing arc. There's a reason good players don't just grab any club off the rack and change their swing to match the clubs. Repeat a few times for checking, and can check a few different irons ie 7 and 9 and 5 etc to confirm your general tendency. You would still have to take the next club down to get to the distance you want. Can I bend my irons strong? - Golf Clubs - Team Titleist Tour Player's loft's on irons? - WRX Club Techs - GolfWRX Pasted as rich text. Haven't registered for Team Titleist yet? The good news is that the vast majority of irons can be bent, even those that are high-quality cast. But is bending your golf clubs really a good idea? You would still have to take the next club down to get to the distance you want. So that could be the difference. I agree with what you're saying entirely, I know I have to get my spinloft down. Titleist's 620 MB & Callaway's Apex TCB irons are the next most used with 7. Golf clubs that are 17-4 stainless steel cast irons will be more difficult to bend, as they are made of much harder metal than the likes of carbon steel and graphite. 2 deg flat seems to work pretty well for me. Mickesgolf ), Undersize Golf Grips Explained (8 Key Facts!). (used to hook, now after lessons - ongoing - cannot hook even if i try to.. still hope to get back to a nice draw..) . AP2 irons are forged and can be bent with no problem, BUT I would recommend taking them to someone who does this for a living. Play a draw, no more or less than standard lie. Fit the lie angle so that when [b]YOU[/b] swing that club the sole of the club is 'flat' to the ground ie neither too upright nor too flat - this is when the impact tape on the sole of the club will show the impact/rubbing to be in the middle of the sole. So, there is obviously a new standard that the club-manufacturers have begun, so lets say the NEW 7-iron loft . #2 reason is to space yardage gaps as needed. Another reason why stronger lofts don't always mean more distance is something I do frequently to help golfers hit the ball farther weaken lofts. It is very easy to do these modifications, and also recommended by a lot of folks to have your set checked either frequently or at the end of each year in case any changes happened during the season from general play. What Weaker Lofts or Weakening Lofts Means in Golf [/quote] Vice versa if the club is upright. 5 iron 26 198 While some golfers can afford such a price tag to improve their clubs, others will balk at it! thanks, Any help would be much appreciated! Upload or insert images from URL. Iwas wondering if I could bend my 712 AP2 irons strong and not see any changes in the irons. [quote name='HandsomeMatt' timestamp='1441040098' post='12239780'] All rights reserved. Looks like a bit more than expected for a standard lofted 6 but not crazy. On the one hand to adjust the lie individually. Weaker lofts mean (all other things being equal) getting the ball up into the air quicker, and a little higher trajectory on your shots. So I'm in the process of getting new irons and I'm curious about the idea of getting them bent a degree or two strong. so with that said my stronger lofts were nothing more than trying to maintain past iron distances , i would love to be able to hit a 47 or 48 degree pw 120 yrs or even a 155 to 160 yr 7 iron but age and injuries have seem to make that a next to impossible task All gripped w/ Lamkin Crossline ACE Midsize, with buildup tape 15.5mm RH/16mm LH. I had one fitter tell me I could play at 4 deg flat but that seemed a little extreme. Day in particular looks like he's always hitting 100% or more. gonna give the "reality" recommendation so far. [quote name='Dan Drake' timestamp='1441041993' post='12239944'] Let me know what you think of the idea and/or if you have other suggestions to control my spin/launch, I'd love to hear them. [quote name='bigo2398' timestamp='1441037749' post='12239474'] X Forged UT 20 w/PX What do you mean about not seeing any changes in your irons? 8 iron 38 160 Tour Velvet Midsize Grips. Setting aside the discussion about why lofts are getting stronger, I was wondering why someone would bend the lofts strong rather than use the next club in the bag and swing smooth. I am about a 10 handicap but am young and just now getting more serious about golfing. then reapeat, but, move the ball more forward(note the change). But if the bounce is already minimal you start going into negative bounce. somewhere between where you currently play it and ludicrous is a new, improved, boring flight. 4 iron 24 200 So I'm in the process of getting new irons and I'm curious about the idea of getting them bent a degree or two strong. The spin makes the ball "balloon" and land too steep which actually makes it harder to stick greens so while the spin may not be the actual problem, it's the reason that I would like to flatten my ball flight out. SW: 56* Scratch Tour Dept(CC grooves) w/ Dynamic Gold Spinner ENTER NOW! 5-iron - 23.5 degrees. Posted August 1, 2009. When you start messing with length, then you also mess with swing weight and then adding weight to compensate for the SW can start messing with the flex of the shaft. What Are The Degree Loft Of Golf Clubs? | Golf Monthly I've always just played with whatever I had, but I'm now trying to work my way up to being able to afford a set that actually fits me. Look at a face on vid at impact and notice hand/front wrist position. [quote name='ijohnson' timestamp='1441070745' post='12242666'] It would definitely not work for me but might be ok for you. Display as a link instead, Paste as plain text instead, R11S 8* square; Stock stiff Started Yesterday at 10:25 AM, Please put and questions or comments here, Please put any questions or comments here. Believe it or not, my spin loft used to be worse, but I'm kind of in a rut right now. All Rights Reserved. You can easily bend the lofts and lies to be progressively consistent from one club to the next with zero tolerance. Bending golf clubs also make your irons either slightly shorter or longer. IMO there is no reason to start bending your Titleist strong dude. When you start messing around with the hozzels and stress on clubs you need to know what you are doing. I've noticed that some of the higher launching/spinning players on tour (Rory, J-Day, etc) have their irons bent strong and I'm looking to hear some pro's and con's of doing this. How do they test to determine which launch angle best suits you. MEMBER REVIEWS: Cleveland Frontline Elite Putters! Perhaps he likes the look of offset and that's how he chooses to get it done. 9 iron 41 148 ENTER NOW! Players have been doing this for a long time. I would think if anything it just shows that some taller people are getting into golf. Started Yesterday at 10:25 AM, Please put and questions or comments here, Please put any questions or comments here. Did I just answer my owne questions, do pro's bend the clubs stronger to have less bounce? He wanted to see the club face wide open. Note where the player's 'natural' lie angle is - ie the neutral/normal lie angle as above - but then intentionally bend the lie angle to mitigate their hook/slice tendencies. Did I just answer my owne questions, do pro's bend the clubs stronger to have less bounce? Hogan was big into this. Why do Pro's and some amatures have their irons bent 1* stronger. [quote name='AustinA' timestamp='1444322114' post='12428254'] [quote name='Kenny Lee Puckett' timestamp='1441131685' post='12246270'] What no one else has mentioned is that your 6 iron numbers are almost ideal for that club. This is especially true of clubs made with long hosels. I have mine bent 2 degrees strong and cannot see any visible difference. If there are a more than normal amount of clubs that you are seeing like this then I do not know what to say. The mark on the sole will show if your clubhead is level or toe up or down at impact. What bouncedoes is keep the leading edge from digging into the ground. You can post now and register later. But back to the original question, to sum up: Weakening lofts or going to weeaker lofts refers to increasing loft angle going from, say, 27 degrees in your 5-iron to 29 degrees in your 5-iron. It would seem that bending lofts stronger would make them go further. Can you bend a metal wood? If anything I am a digger in the golf swing. Thanks, [quote name='clemsondds' post='1859449' date='Aug 2 2009, 02:39 PM']Thanks but I'm more curious about launch angle. And while you can bend your golf clubs at home, its best to send them to a custom club fitter unless you have invested in a golf club bending machine. It wouldn't surprise me if that's exactly why Jason Day chooses to play 4-P all bent a club strong. I agree with these two reasons here. 6-iron launch: 17*. You can post now and register later. Standard length and lie are perfect for me. Believe it or not, my spin loft used to be worse, but I'm kind of in a rut right now. If you don't like bend them back. What Irons Do the Pros Use? Top 100 PGA Tour Player Guide (2021) gonna give the "reality" recommendation so far. TM tends to increase the bounce on their irons about 50% of the loft change. Why Pros Hit Their Irons so Far? | Golf Tips & Lessons I was able to do a Mizuno demo show and the rep fit me for mp62's. Nike VR Pro LE 15*, 'Ahina 75s Pw from 48* to 45*), that I will completely mess up the grind and . 10.5 set at small - get to work on improving your spinloft with your irons (I'm assuming this gets really really bad with you shortest clubs). Look at a face on vid at impact and notice hand/front wrist position. That's really surprising for amateurs. Edel E-3 Torque Balanced 36", 345g, Golf Pride Tour SNSR Contour 104cc Bumping the toe up 2 or 3 degrees, serves to mitigate each of the flaws through impact and helps to reduce the amount of left to right curvature that usually accompanies these moves. Pasted as rich text. Of the 59 irons surveyed in the chart, if a traditional 7-iron is 34 (thanks to this GolfWeek article ), that means 15 of them are 34 or 1 weaker than traditional loft, AND 44 are 1 or more stronger. Thanks everybody for the help! Let me know what you think of the idea and/or if you have other suggestions to control my spin/launch, I'd love to hear them. They are just tweaking the sets to fit their distance needs. Display as a link instead, Iomic Golf Grips: 8 Key Facts Before You Buy. If your intent is to modify them by making them one degree strong, you will be changing the play of the iron, and also the physical appearance possible (could be debatable if the human eye can tell one degree, I'm not sure since I have never had to do this to any of my sets.). There are the following reasons why you want to bend a club head. Thanks! Do you have any recommendations for drills or things to practice in order to improve it? [quote name='bigo2398' timestamp='1441037749' post='12239474'] [/b][/size] Coops The 4 iron will have a negative bounce if you bend them 2 degrees. Fitting.. gives you a choice. [/quote]tango xray 3 3 gives a great visual during practice with that hoop! Bending irons to stronger lofts and the effect on bounce As far as launch angle goes, that isnt really as important on irons because you have so many of them (compared to 1 driver etc). You will notice the strike feels much more energetic and the ball flies totally different when you get it right. I would be pleased with them. A good tune-up is a good tune-up regardless of the final loft gaps. a few generalizations about lie angles: short golfers (think Ian Woosnam) will often require flatter lies; tall golfers (think Tom Weiskopf) will often benefit from more upright lies. You would still have to take the next club down to get to the distance you want. Now of course this does not apply to all golfers by any means. It is true that bounce changes with loft on a 1 to 1 basis, but I think that unless you are bending an iron 2*+ that you will see a significant change in playing characteristics due to the change in bounce. Do you have any recommendations for drills or things to practice in order to improve it? Non-Tapered Golf Grips: 8 Facts to Know Before You Buy! I would advise you to not try it yourself unless you have experience in doing so professionally. My swing has changed over the years a fair bit, yet i've always needed irons a bit upright from standard (a Euro standard although even that isn't really set in stone or anything).. Once you know what your lie angles are - keep a note if you like, then you can easily know if another brand's irons need adjusting. but, best to check for real by hitting shots with them anyway. To be bendable the iron has to have the proper heat treatment or annealing that will allow bending - let's make the assumption that quality irons indeed have this treatment. [/quote] 5 iron 27 195 For example, the mizuno MP forged blades (for low cappers) are flatter than the mizuno MX cast cavity back irons for the mid and high capper. This sounds like a lot of advice from people who have never been high ball speed, high spin, high trajectory players. You absolutely can buy a golf bending machine to use at home, but you will find that theyre super expensive, typically costing several hundred if not thousands of dollars. The truth about strong lofted irons | Today's Golfer 6-iron spin: 6850 RPM Leather Golf Grips Review: Should I Use Them? This applies to both face angle and lie. tiger used 2 weak one his old iron i dont know if he still using it, Ping G430LST w/ TPT 14HI / Synergy green 75tx / Ventus TR blue Taylormade M6Callaway Steelhead XR 4+Mizuno MP-18 mb 4-PWTitliest SM7 50f, 54s, 58dSC Phantom X 5.5. [/quote] Yeah, you can bend them strong and not notice the difference in terms of look. ps my irons are bent (or when i got my Pings, ordered) 2 degrees up ;-) ) - this was to get the sole flat at impact honest. In other words, make your 7 the length and lie of an 8, which should reduce the spin a bit. We're not robotic enough to predict that exactly 3 or 4 degrees is the correct gap empirically. Or, (tinfoil hat on) TMAG wants him to be the poster boy for how long their new irons are and this way they get to hear McCord gush about how Day hit a 168 yard 9 iron. Paste as plain text instead, Will the clubs dig more or enough to tell a difference? There is a tendency to over analyze things here, and the thought that a degree or two of loft making that big of a difference is often over exaggerated. ps i see a poster right before mine made comments about " good players " and their abilities to manipulate flight and trajectory of the ball just because a player has strong lofted irons does not give one indication of their ability so jump off your high horse .just because you may have a low handicap does not make you elite enough to judge others .. [quote name='rybo' timestamp='1441146850' post='12247568'] Maybe it's just me but it seems you can't change the relationship between the loft of the club and the spin, given you're putting the same swing on it. The most common adjustment is lie angle, not loft. I would be VERY patient during this process of changing your ball position. bigo2398, August 31, 2015 in WRX Club Techs. Personally have occasionally weakened wedges and rarely, irons in order to help dial in or normalize distance gapping, never more than 2 degrees." So stronger lofts = less bounce = more offset. Learn how to control your irons from multiple ydgs. [quote name='cxx' timestamp='1444396444' post='12432280'] Testing for correct lie angle is very easy - they'll put some tape along the sole of the club and get you to hit balls off a lie board (just a hard surface, can use the mat also but a good flat hard surface makes the mark easier to see). If he had a decent swing he most likely would be playing irons 4-5 deg. By Therefore, if youre planning to bend your high-quality cast clubs, our advice remains the same check in with a local club fitter in your area and ask them to complete the work on your behalf. simple, 2 degrees upright is what the clubfitter fitted me at. 2. Let me know what you think of the idea and/or if you have other suggestions to control my spin/launch, I'd love to hear them. To make sure shots are flighted properly, lighter shafts are usually used in stronger-lofted models, like the KBS Max in Callaway's Rogue and TaylorMade M4. I tried to do a search for this topic, so if it has been disscussed I apologize. It would seem that bending lofts stronger would make them go further. YOU have to be in control trajectory in your iron play, tweaking your specs is just a bandaid. Or, (tinfoil hat on) TMAG wants him to be the poster boy for how long their new irons are and this way they get to hear McCord gush about how Day hit a 168 yard 9 iron. You could just buy them cut down half an inch and lies bent accordingly, which would maintain the same look. 6-iron launch: 17* Taylormade Stealth+8* Fujikura Pro Tour Spec 73x. Although the process is relatively straightforward, its all about fine margins, and you can get it wrong if you dont know what youre doing. Do you just go by the distance you hit them, and if you don't like your gaps you bend them a little? You'll shallow out impact (lower AoA) and reduce dynamic loft > combined they will reduce spin loft. Used to be 6'1" but I've shrunk a little. In other words, they might not be progressively consistent from one club to another, which means your distances might be out. Thanks for everybody for your help! We've chosen this model as it is a popular iron that suits a wide range of players from low handicappers to game improvers. [quote name='bigo2398' timestamp='1441037749' post='12239474'] There is no standard lie so the actual lie angle could be anything. [quote name='bigo2398' timestamp='1441037749' post='12239474'] #2 reason is to space yardage gaps as needed. Abandoned Golf Courses for Sale (How Much?). [/quote] It seems like some of you are talking about loft and some are talking about lie angle. I'm curious about this as well. You need a steep angle of attack to bend weaker as bounce is increased degree for degree. If the hosel design and manufacturing processes allow it, the lie of an iron can be bent 3-4 degrees or more with no compromise to the integrity of the head. 4 iron 22 206 Bending Golf Clubs: 5 Facts & Fallacies While golf club manufacturers certainly try to make a consistent product, there are often inconsistencies in the lofts and lies of the clubs and they may not be progressively consistent from one club to another. Is this something everyone should be doing, or is it very specific to a certain type of swing? This will change the trajectory of the ball, and can potentially cause misdirected shots. Pasted as rich text. Yes, when we talk of bending golf clubs, the iron family are the best candidates. The angle and loft of your golf clubs are extremely important. Copyright 2023 Mitchell Golf Equipment Company. Please put and questions or comments here, Please put any questions or comments here. It is all about fitting. Are Tommy Armour Clubs Good? In addition, once a club is bent to a given specification, it will stay there until changed by an outside force of either bending again or striking a hard object. The most easy 'drill' is just hit it lower visually place a hoola hoop a few feet downline and hit the ball through it. Let me know what you think of the idea and/or if you have other suggestions to control my spin/launch, I'd love to hear them. [quote name='HandsomeMatt' timestamp='1441040098' post='12239780']

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