Just look for a lead remover tool with bronze screens. Bullseye and NRA Distinguished Revolver All newly manufactured .38 Special revolvers must be proof tested to the same higher proof . I have found that if you go down too low in charge you will have some ignition issues occasionally. The bullets are seated flush in the case. I dunno. Just shows the importance of trying/checking the feel of a gun and if possible, test firing it, before you buy it. But I would only be caught dead with one in my hands if I had to use one for self defense (pun intended). If youre recoil averse (and dont have a disability of some kind), its because you havent shot it enough. It is a very versatile and useful round. I don't completely understand the physics behind it. I believe this particular bullet is meant for the 9mm,but drops at 358. I will start ouy at the minimum velocity then. Even better, is get some 38 S&W brass. It also shows that the loads were established using a 6" barrel, so regardless of what any published data shows, the chances of ever finding published data for the exact projectile and barrel length you are using, as well as the exact conditions you will be shooting in, would be nearly impossible. .38 Special is a lot more comfortable in a service size revolver like my Model 10. 32 H&R Mag 21,000 If you are new to reloading. That being the case, I truly NEED as much ammunition as possible and the ability to defeat soft barriers such as auto windshields, sheet metal, drywall, doors, etc. IMHO .38 special is just fine for self defense, but just not enough to crack engine blocks. YMMV. Thanks for the guidance and suggestions. 594/600 at the real distances of 24 rnds at 50 yds, 24 rnds at 25 yes, and 12 rnds at 7.5 yds. I shoot a Glock 21, and had a great time shooting some poly coated 230 grain round noses today. If there is only ONE load, it is MAX. The .38 ammo is more common to find than the .44 ammo, so that is a big reason to reload the .44. 110gr JHP! Left to right:148 gr. Never got around to trying the T grips. Hmm. This is my plink load for the kids. Enter to win an FN FAL Rifle. What overal length of the cartridge? Insufficient crimping ) ARCHIVED. The manufacturing process of swaged bullets requires relatively soft lead for two reasons. I like the smell of Bullseye, dont mind wiping the handguns down after a range day, and the dark soot that accumulates on my support hand when shooting wheelguns in particular just reminds me to wash up. 9 mm, .40 sw, 45 acp, .44 mag. SASS# 85224. People who prepare usually tend to focus on the survival basics: security/self-defense, water, food, first aid, sanitation/hygiene, knowing when to get out and when to stay put. The Charter Arms .44 models are potential CCWs, but are too light to properly handle the .44 spl. They all shot horrible at 25 yards. Me too! That one Ill keep. SWC+GC, Im not a hoarder and I dont keep them, but I am detailed in my process. This too is useful information. I just bought some 158 gr SWC bullets that are pure lead. Tim: The Lyman 49th edition lists the accuracy loads for their cast bullets. I will always love the 38 SPL (never cared much for 357 Mag), but that 3 seven shot Charter with both 32 S&W Long and 32 H&R Mag is truly the bees knees. The only reason that my standard (everyday carry) self-defense handgun is not a .38 Special revolver is because I can conceal a semi-auto better (it isnt as fat as the cylinder on a revolver) and my semi-auto has 15 rounds of hard-hitting 180 grain bullets. Does anyone have any data. VV N320, N330 and N340 are products of VihtaVouri Oy Company I wish Id had a commercial version of this load in my ammo allocation when we were tasked with getting classes of students up to special operations standards with the issue custom 1911s. You trade a little less speed for a little more mass but at snubnose velocities I really think the standard 158 grain slug gives the best penetration. I have used everything from simple lead to the most advanced machined copper bullets and found them all to be extraordinarily easy to load and shoot. I thought about trying 2.5 gr. Bullseye is one of the oldest smokeless pistol powders and still one of the most popular. Reloading Data for .38 Special - Load Data - 1895Gunner. I'm new to reloading, starting off with a single stage Lee press reloading .38 special and .357 magnum with Lee's 4 die carbide set. 125 gr plated or 125 gr lead RN. Create an account in a few clicks or log in to continue. Thanks to all for the info. Designed in 1898, the .38 Smith & Wesson Special cartridge went on . This load is in the general velocity bracket with most generic or bulk box 115-grain loads and zings over my chronograph at 1,125 to 1,140 fps from a Glock 17, depending on bullet style. Shot placement is just as important if not more. Im not recommending that you carry the Bullseye load, but dont feel as if you are going to tactical purgatory for enjoying this load, either. 9 and others like 2400 that are generally used for magnums). The big medicine was delivered by a 1911, but S&W K frames (favorites were Models 12 & 64) took care of everything else. I use 3 gr. Stylish But Serious: Kimber Super Carry Pro, Survival Savvy: Gearing Up for the Next Level, Force Multiplier: Knife and Gun Integration. Some medium fast powders would work with lighter weight bullets. Just got back into reloading 38 special again after a long hiatus with no revolver, and was instantly reminded of what a joy it is to reload. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Hi. Word to the wise: all handgun cartridges (with the likely exception of .44 Magnum and maybe even .357 Magnum) are underpowered for self-defense. Normal 38 spell loads for as long as I can remember were never loaded less than 800FPS and I have loaded for revolvers and autos such as my S&W mod 52 that only shoots flush wadcutters. 6.) Bullseye is one of the oldest smokeless pistol powders and still one of the most popular. In fact, Hornady's handloading manual includes .357-inch bullets in the load data for the .38 Super, specifically 125-grain and 140-grain XTP bullets, along with .355-inch bullets, and their one remaining .356-inch bullet, the 125-grain HAP. From my Hornady Third Edition manual 38 Special 158 Grain Lead Round Nose #3586 Win 231 3.0 Grains 650 FPS 4.4 Grains 850 FPS Now I will tell you from experience you do NOT want to load Lead Bullets Fast. Posted March 19, 2015. SWC, 160 gr. You can't rely on this because not all variables for YOUR cases and chamber and loading length, etc. The design of this modern revolver makes the SW guns seem archaic. ES 56 SD 24 PMC Eldorado Starfire +P 125 gr. Bullseye Handgun Powders Smokeless pistol powder Billions of rounds have been loaded with Bullseye since it was introduced in 1913. It seems to burn completely in the .38 and is not as critical as the faster powders like Bullseye. YOU WOULD BE WASTING YOUR TIME TRIMMING THE BRASS. LRNFP - your load, with a plated bullet should be Very Similar, or slightly slower and safer. 357 Magnum 35,000 Times across steel plate racks and many of my standard drills with the 200-grain SWCs rival my best easy-shooting 9mm results. Here's what the Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook says for cast 125g flatpoint for 38 in the powders you mentioned. If you're looking for a real light load that's easy to shoot, I'd just use WW's data for the W231 with a 125 gr. Click there and go to the load data lookup section . I really enjoy Trail Boss and use it extensively for plain lead and plated bullets. I have often thought about reloading .357 brass to .38 special velocities to get around that, but have just never decided to actually do it. Winchester only published load for WST in 38 special using lead bullets if you look at the data for the 158 data the start load goes from 3.3 Gr and a max load of 3.7 Gr. The plated bullets feed nicely through my bullet feeder. I load my 38 target ammo to 3.5 grainsand my self defense 38 to 3.8 grains, when using 158 grain bullets (and Bullseye). .38 Special Montana Gold 125 FMJ Power Pistol 6.1 COL 1.417 Tested with a S&W-686-3, 6", ambient temperature about 32 degrees, no wind, target posted at 25 feet (hey, I'm testing handloads for use, not my long range bear killing skills, defensive only). 2.7 GR WST IS TOO LIGHT FOR THE 50 YD LINE. Thats not quite how that works. Very little recoil, and grouped acceptably out to 15 yards or so. So if you find a "lead" load it is also a plated load. S&W M637-2 2" barrel These loads are for my wife's revolver. You will find plenty of Red Dot loads there. I load it almost exclusively though with either a powder coated or plated 125 grn bullet. Normal, mild .38 loads work fine with lead bullets. The powder charges used for .38 are forgiving. JHP (now discontinued) 5 rounds . It is less of an issue on a progressive press, but still requires attention. (Inceptor) Diameter: 0.357" Powder: CFE Pistol (Hodgdon) Primer: WIN WSP Case: WIN Trim Length: 1.145" C.O.L. WST is a good powder for a very specialized load. I have some W231 that I use for my .38 super. I keep thinking about trading it for a Model 27 or, maybe, one of the new Pythons for extra weight. These two can cover the entire performance spectrum up to .38+P. I use CCI Snake shot for two and Buffalo Bore short Barrel 130 gr. Hodgdon's Basic Reloading Manual, (The free one, available for the asking. I have tested lots and lots of different bullet and found them all to be great. 38 spl.s. Interesting. Home About Partners Contact. Magtech Sport Shooting, 38 Special, 125 Grain, Full Metal Jacket, Flat, 50 Round Box 38Q Like Wobbly. WITH THE SWAGED BULLETS REDDING SELLS A PROFILE CRIMP DIE. Clays, Universal, HP38, HS6 and H4895 are products of Hodgdon Powders. Current J frame factory grips have similar features and are made of a stiffer compound. Notes: primer: CCI 500; case: Speer; NOTE: All loads are maximum. This pistol uses the .38 Special with a Remington wadcutter bullet seated flush with the case mouth. Only need cast when driving up to 1200 fps or so. defensive ammo. How does WST compare to Bullseye powder? I almost spit out my drink when I read your comment. (Same issue found with a 12 oz. Agree Problem with the J frame S&W is the grips. Many people tend to poo-poo .38 Special (standard pressure) for self-defense as being somehow underpowered. Traditionally, the max SAAMI pressures were: 38 S&W 14,500 Any pistol competitions yet? I found it to be a nice blend of accuracy, soft recoil, and sure functioning, with enough spice behind it to reliably topple steel targets. Thats what the Cavalry Board asked for over a century ago, and thats what weve got. Using higher pressure loads will wear brass out faster and it will become brittle with time. I'd rather shoot my .45 then. Thanks very much to LarryinTX for that! My use of the term adequate means that Hodgdon has produced a workable result for the .38 Special, .38 Special +P, and .357 Magnum that may be used for 125 grain weight bullets having velocity limitations. Even slower powders may provide more consistent speeds and will be tested in the future (No. WST seems like such a good powder in .45 ACP that I thought I might try it. Unsurpassed for .45 ACP target loads. There are many fun uses for buckshot. IT'S A COMBINATION TAPER AND ROLL CRIMP. A light target load, which tends to be very accurate, is about 3.1 grains, with a 158 grain bullet. My best group was .9 inch out of a Model 15. Not in that order. 2, No. Ive also switched from lead to Berrys Preferred copper plated bullets. The only way to shoot both 9mm and .38 special is to have two separate cylinders timed to the revolver. Most DNR (Do Not Reduce) loads are well over 900-fps. All right are Reserved Reload Ammo, Reloading The .45 ACP (Automatic Colt Pistol), hi=849 lo=728 ES=122 (powder up and down), hi=821 lo=684 ES=137 (powder up and down), hi=815 lo=637 ES=178 (powder in normal positions), hi=714 lo=549 ES=165 (powder up and down), hi=758 lo=693 ES=65 (powder up and down)(DO NOT USE LESS), Hi=886, Lo=861, ES=25 (This is a Carolina Cast bullet SWC-great cowboy load), hi=859 lo=743 ES=116 *(my personal medium load), hi=875 lo=685 ES=190.2(powder up and down), hi=710 lo=497 ES=213 (powder up and down), hi=791 lo=625 ES=166 (Powder up and down), hi=785 lo=670 ES=115 (powder up and down), hi=801, low=766 ES=35.32 in Contender 14 bbl. . I love a nice, full-size .357 Magnum on the range because it is so easy to train new shooters on. Your link has been automatically embedded. I checked out Alliant's website-no data for flat point with the powders I have, but data for Gold Dot HPs for Bullseye and Unique. My Hornady book says for 158 gr L-SWC, Unique powder, CCI magnum primer the minimum listed (not sure if that's absolute minimum) is 4.3 and maximum is 4.7. 38 Special 17,000 Starting being near 3gr - ish. Maybe its just me, but having that tiny bit of extra length and weight in the cylinder that I was never going to use just kinda bothered me. This represents a great start, and if thats all you do, youll still be far better off than the majority of the population. Bullseye is a little smoky, a lot sooty, and has a distinct odor. This load chugs downrange at 750 feet each second and functions standard recoil springs with no issue. Also internet references 2009, Copyright. 2.9 of Clays is soft enough and dead accurate at 50yds. in 158 weight berry's bullet 3.8 grains of bullseye with a taper crimp. Content . Jacketed bullets create a bit more wear on the rifling, but its better than trying to wire brush out a bunch of lead build up. Bullseye 3.2gr / 763fps --> 4.2gr / 892fps (max), Unique 4.3gr / 773fps --> 5.3gr / 944fps (max), 231 3.9gr / 733fps --> 4.8gr / 896pfs (max). I get okay accuracy with 4.4 of W-W 231 and 125s, depending on what bullet is used. I found the plated wadcutters to have NO accuracy. Recoil was so nasty that I quit after five shots and saved the rest of the box for my 6 Model 19 .357. I favor the appearance of the C/T load and find it slightly easier to grab and orient in the loading process. She ran two cylinders of 100 grain wad cutters and gave it back to me. My other son fired one shot and handed it back. accuracy. http://www.adi-powders.com.au/handloaders-guide/equivalents.asp. The stuff you learn shooting 20,000 reloads (on top of thousands of rounds of factory ammo) can be pretty interesting and I feel that Ive got a very good picture of what the .38 Special. There is almost no recoil and the student can increase power level when they feel ready using the same gun. : 1.475" Powder: 6.0 gr 6.9 gr Vel. There have been guns Ive bought for the caliber, but the .38 wasnt one of those. I also find the LCR .357 enjoyable to shoot with all .38s and most .357s. Josh Wayner is a Michigan native, active competitor, Grand Valley State University alumni, troublemaker, and fiction author. I like Bullseye in the 38 Special, and it was a consistent performer with the 125 grain bullets. Seems like everyone is all orgasmic about bigger, faster, more of, etc. (For those who would. The beauty of shooting a .38 is that you can easily practice at the ranges youd fight at using basically any cheap bullet at minimal expense. Case life is excellent, especially for mild loads. I reload a 3 CA Bulldog in .44 with 200 gr wadcutters, to recreate the Man Stopper loads of long ago. COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. My brother put CT laser grips on his wifes M36. Since it hit the market 103 years ago, it has been a staple for most handloaders and the backbone of most accuracy loads in the popular calibers. With all the loads available, you can surely find one within recoil tolerance. I went from 2.7to 4.0 gr and nothing to speak of. Battis, if you go to the very bottom of this page you will see Castpics. Damn. 4.0 gr. The flyers tend to be severe. The trigger has smoothed out over time. The SP101 is far more comfortable to shoot but not so much fun to carry. Magnum 44 S&W Special 45 Colt 45 Auto 45 G.A.P 9mm Luger 9x18mm Makarov 32 S&W Long (Cowboy Action) 32-20 Win. The 38 Special, practically snubnose 38 Specials, seem to do their best work with bullets right around the 155-160 grain range. (Note: These are near maximum loads (in some cases ARE MAXIMUM), you should use 10%. I have a few 30-30 cases modified to shoot singles with a very light load. Three in particular proved as good as their longstanding reputations would indicate. No matter where you look, the first mention in classic loads for the .38 Special is a 148-grain wadcutter over 2.7 grains of Bullseye. I use Bullseye powder but it's about the same burn rate. Bullseye is the best powder I have found for 38 special. Load manuals often advise against downloading .38 Special jacketed loads to prevent squibs, especially the 110 and 125 grain bullets. These grips seem quite comfortable and afford a pinkie finger rest for improved control albeit with a certain loss of concealability. For best accuracy in slow fire shooting, you may want to raise gun before every shot. As example, 5.8 6.0 grains UNIQUE with a 125 grain HP in a snub nose .357 revolver. I soon traded off a Colt Frontier Scout .22 LR for an S&W Model 15 and happily chased all manner of small game and landfill targets with my stash of wadcutters. When I finally nabbed my own canisters of Bullseye, the first load I spun up was 2.7 grains under Hornadys hollow-base wadcutters. But not too tough. Youd just be risking ALOT firing it in a .38 framed revolver. A longer case, with have a tighter crimp them a shorter one, what will lead to variations in pressure, and accuracy. I started loading .38s with a Lyman nut cracker and a home made measure for Bullseye over 65 years ago. I load a hard cast 125gn for my 38 special all the time. Just depends on what kinds of loads you plan to shoot. Display as a link instead, It will then fit in your 38 Special gun. Case life is excellent, especially for mild loads. Like both the .38 and the .44 spl. I think you will find since the .38 special is headspaced on the rim your case length is very important to achieve your best accuracy. As a result, Ive been able to spend far more time practicing with it rather than fussing with it. A 4 inch barrel would be my choice as well. Ammunition is available everywhere handguns are legal. At belly button range, very nasty load. The 919 case is tapered and therefore wider at the base than the .38 special is. You are absolutely correct. Yes, I had no issues with the 38 SPL, but the 32 is just more FUN- especially when I get seven shots of it in a revolver the size of J frame! I get 1000 fps with this load. Bullseye, Unique and 2400 are products of Alliant (formerly Hercules) Powders. You can post now and register later. WST is less dense than BE. Any clues for powder and starting loads???? Honestly, plated bullets won't give you the level of accuracy needed for bullseye competition, even at 25 yards. Lucky me. less to start.) It is always higher when powder is next to primer. Alliant listed 3.6 gr Bullseye as maximum (15000 psi) in 38 Special and 3.8 as max in 38 Special PLUS P (17000 psi) with 158 LSWC bullets. Or does the CMP make the rules for DR, and the NRA admins it? I never enjoyed touching off a 357 Mag in a K frame, and I cannot imagine the discomfort of firing it in anything smaller or lighter. Unlike many other guns Ive owned and carried, this little snubby really cant be modified much beyond factory configuration. I had ammo for some friends as low as 600 fps. The instructors worked magic in many cases, but having a load like this to gradually work shooters onto full-strength loads would have been a great tool. I load my own, 130 gr RNFP using Win 231 powder a little over the mid point in the published load data. If you havent taken a look at what the .38 Special offers, youre selling yourself short. The mild recoil of the mid-range load is a perfect mate to the .38s that most shooters own these daysthe airweight J-Frame or equivalent. If you have the means, I highly recommend you trying one out. My Reloading Manual for .38 Special has plenty of data for 125 gr JHP, and 125 gr JFP for Scot Powders/Vhitavuori, but nothing for Unique/W231/Bullseye. You are spot on about Trail Boss, that stuff is magical with cast reloads. And, oh yeah. Lord only knows how many cartridge cases I hammered with a plastic mallet into that Lee, it had to be thousands. 3 1/2" average not included flyers which seem to happen on every group test. Would you like to react to this message? Its hard to find those swaged SWCs and hollow point bullets anyone; it seems everyone is only interested in hard cast for velocity and penetration. Just dont shoot a rabbit with this load if you want to be able to eat any of it. In several of the guns, the old standby couldnt quite duplicate the level of precision they exhibit with current production wadcutters from Black Hills or Winchester, but in each case, the load shot close to or right on the sights and nearly held the X ring. I recently picked up a 396 Nightguard and am a convert to the 44 Special! Groups with these loads ranged from 1.25 inches to just under two inches at 25 yards across a handful of pistols.

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