So Dionysus is not the god of alcohol. BRIAN MURARESKU: We can dip from both pies, Dr. Stang. That's just everlasting. So again, if there were an early psychedelic sacrament that was being suppressed, I'd expect that the suppressors would talk about it. But with what were they mixed, and to what effect? Which turns out, it may be they were. All he says is that these women and Marcus are adding drugs seven times in a row into whatever potion this is they're mixing up. And so the big question is what was happening there? And I think it does hearken back to a genuinely ancient Greek principle, which is that only by fully experiencing some kind of death, a death that feels real, where you, or at least the you you used to identify with, actually slips away, dissolves. Part 1 Brian C. Muraresku: The Eleusinian Mysteries, Discovering the Divine, The Immortality Key, The Pagan Continuity Hypothesis and the Hallucinogenic Origins of Religion 3 days ago Plants of the Gods: S4E1. And even in the New Testament, you'll see wine spiked with myrrh, for example, that's served to Jesus at his crucifixion. And then was, in some sense, the norm, the original Eucharist, and that it was then suppressed by orthodox, institutional Christianity, who persecuted, especially the women who were the caretakers of this tradition. Now, I mentioned that Brian and I had become friends. Joe Campbell puts it best that what we're after is an experience of being alive. He calls it a drug against grief in Greek, [SPEAKING GREEK]. Copyright 2023 The President and Fellows of Harvard College, The Immortality Key: The Secret History of the Religion with No Name. So Pompeii and its environs at the time were called [SPEAKING GREEK], which means great Greece. She found the remains of dog sacrifice, which is super interesting. So there's a house preserved outside of Pompeii, preserved, like so much else, under the ash of Mount Vesuvius's eruption in the year 79 of the Common Era. BRIAN MURARESKU: That's a good question. There are others claiming that there's drugs everywhere. And how do we-- when the pharmaceutical industry and when these retreat centers begin to open and begin to proliferate, how do we make this sacred? But I realized that in 1977, when he wrote that in German, this was the height of scholarship, at least going out on a limb to speculate about the prospect of psychedelics at the very heart of the Greek mysteries, which I refer to as something like the real religion of the ancient Greeks, by the way, in speaking about the Eleusinian mysteries. According to Muraresku, this work, which "presents the pagan continuity hypothesis with a psychedelic twist," addresses two fundamental questions: "Before the rise of Christianity, did the Ancient Greeks consume a secret psychedelic sacrament during their most famous and well-attended religious rituals? What Brian labels the religion with no name. And much of the evidence that you've collected is kind of the northern half of the Mediterranean world. This two-part discussion between Muraresku and Dr. Plotkin examines the role psychedelics have played in the development of Western civilization. And I asked her openly if we could test some of the many, many containers that they have, some on display, and many more in repository there. Thank you for that. To this day I remain a psychedelic virgin quite proudly, and I spent the past 12 years, ever since that moment in 2007, researching what Houston Smith, perhaps one of the most influential religious historians of the 20th century, would call the best kept secret in history. And so in some of these psychedelic trials, under the right conditions, I do see genuine religious experiences. Then I see the mysteries of Dionysus as kind of the Burning Man or the Woodstock of the ancient world. BRIAN MURARESKU: Great question. Part 1 Brian C. Muraresku: The Eleusinian Mysteries, Discovering the Divine, The Immortality Key, The Pagan Continuity Hypothesis and the Hallucinogenic Origins of Religion - Feb 22, 2023 And Ruck, and you following Ruck, make much of this, suggesting maybe the Gnostics are pharmacologists of some kind. But I want to ask you to reflect on the broader narrative that you're painting, because I've heard you speak in two ways about the significance of this work. I understand the appeal of that. And if it's one thing Catholicism does very, very well, it's contemplative mysticism. I'm not sure many have. And if the latter, do you think there's a good chance that religions will adopt psychedelics back into their rituals?". That was the question for me. And what we find at this farmhouse is a sanctuary that Enriqueta Pons herself, the archaeologist who's been on site since 1990, she calls it some kind of sanctuary dedicated to the goddesses of the mysteries. Brought to you by Wealthfront high-yield savings account, Peloton Row premium rower for an efficient workout, and You Need A Budget cult-favorite money management app.. Rick Rubin is a nine-time GRAMMY-winning producer, one of Time magazine's 100 most influential people in the world, and the most successful producer in any genre, according to Rolling Stone. The pagan continuity hypothesis at the heart of this book made sense to me. So we not only didn't have the engineering know-how-- we used to think-- we didn't have even settled life to construct something like this. To sum up the most exciting parts of the book: the bloody wine of Dionysius became the bloody wine of Jesus - the pagan continuity hypothesis - the link between the Ancient Greeks of the final centuries BC and the paleo-Christians of the early centuries AD - in short, the default psychedelic of universal world history - the cult of . #646: Brian C. Muraresku with Dr. Mark Plotkin The Eleusinian Mysteries, Discovering the Divine, The Immortality Key, The Pagan Continuity Hypothesis, Lessons from Scholar Karen Armstrong, and Much More from The Tim Ferriss Show on Podchaser, aired Wednesday, 28th December 2022. If they've been doing this, as you suggest, for 2,000 years, nearly, what makes you think that a few ancient historians are going to turn that aircraft carrier around? We have other textual evidence. But in Pompeii, for example, there's the villa of the mysteries, one of these really breathtaking finds that also survived the ravage of Mount Vesuvius. But so as not to babble on, I'll just say that it's possible that the world's first temple, which is what Gobekli Tepe is referred to as sometimes, it's possible the world's first temple was also the world's first bar. I'm happy to argue about that. Like in Israel. It's arguably not the case in the third century. I see it as-- well, OK, I'd see it as within a minority. I want to thank you for putting up with me and my questions. That's staying within the field of time. And that's not how it works today, and I don't think that's how it works in antiquity. What was the wine in the early Eucharist? The Immortality Key, The Secret History of the Religion With No Name. And that kind of invisible religion with no name, although brutally suppressed, managed to survive in Europe for many centuries and could potentially be revived today. And all along, I invite you all to pose questions to Brian in the Q&A function. I would have been happy to find a spiked wine anywhere. The continuity hypothesis of dreams suggests that the content of dreams are largely continuous with waking concepts and concerns of the dreamer. Administration and supervision endeavors and with strong knowledge in: Online teaching and learning methods, Methods for Teaching Mathematics and Technology Integration for K-12 and College . OK-- maybe one of those ancient beers. And at some point in my narrative, I do include mention of Gobekli Tepe, for example, which is essentially twice the age of Stonehenge. So how does Dionysian revelries get into this picture? So, you know, I specifically wanted to avoid heavily relying on the 52 books of the [INAUDIBLE] corpus or heavily relying too much on the Gospel of Mary Magdalene and the evidence that's come from Egypt. He co-writes that with Gordon Wasson and Albert Hofmann, who famously-- there it is, the three authors. So throughout the book, you make the point that ancient beer and wine are not like our beer and wine. According to Muraresku, this work, BOOK REVIEW which "presents the pagan continuity hypothesis with a psychedelic twist," addresses two fundamental questions: "Before the rise of Christianity, did the Ancient Greeks consume a secret psychedelic sacrament during their most famous and well-attended religious rituals? OK, now, Brian, you've probably dealt with questions like this. Despite its popular appeal as a New York Times Bestseller, TIK fails to make a compelling case for its grand theory of the "pagan continuity hypothesis with a psychedelic twist" due to recurring overreach and historical distortion, failure to consider relevant research on shamanism and Christianity, and presentation of speculation as fact." So frankly, what happens during the Neolithic, we don't know, at least from a scientific vantage. CHARLES STANG: OK. CHARLES STANG: All right. So that's something else to look into. I would expect we'd have ample evidence. Because even though it's a very long time ago, Gobekli Tepe, interestingly, has some things in common with Eleusis, like the worship of the grain, the possibility of brewing, the notion of a pilgrimage, and interaction with the dead. You also find a Greek hearth inside this sanctuary. I mean, what-- my big question is, what can we say about the Eucharist-- and maybe it's just my weird lens, but what can we say about it definitively in the absence of the archaeochemstry or the archaeobotany? And again, it survives, I think, because of that state support for the better part of 2,000 years. And that is that there was a pervasive religion, ancient religion, that involved psychedelic sacraments, and that that pervasive religious culture filtered into the Greek mysteries and eventually into early Christianity. CHARLES STANG: I have one more question about the pre-Christian story, and that has to do with that the other mystery religion you give such attention to. But what we do know is that their sacrament was wine and we know a bit more about the wine of antiquity, ancient Greek wine, than we can piece together from these nocturnal celebrations. But you will be consoled to know that someone else will be-- I will be there, but someone else will be leading that conversation. It's a big question for me. I'm going to stop asking my questions, although I have a million more, as you well know, and instead try to ventriloquist the questions that are coming through at quite a clip through the Q&A. He decides to get people even more drunk. #646: Brian C. Muraresku with Dr. Mark Plotkin The Eleusinian Mysteries, Discovering the Divine, The Immortality Key, The Pagan Continuity Hypothesis, Lessons from Scholar Karen Armstrong, and Much More And so that opened a question for me. I would love to see these licensed, regulated, retreat centers be done in a way that is medically sound and scientifically rigorous. Which is really weird, because that's how the same Dina Bazer, the same atheist in the psilocybin trials, described her insight. First, I will provide definitions for the terms "pagan", "Christian", Now, here's-- let's tack away from hard, scientific, archaeobotanical evidence for a moment. Well, the reason I mention Hippolytus and Marcus and focus on that in my evidence is because there's evidence of the Valentinians, who influenced Marcus, in and around Rome. I will ask Brian to describe how he came to write this remarkable book, and the years of sleuthing and studying that went into it. The divine personage in whom this cult centered was the Magna Mater Deum who was conceived as the source of all life as well as the personification of all the powers of nature.\[Footnote:] Willoughby, Pagan Regeneration, p. 114.\ 7 She was the "Great Mother" not only "of all the gods," but of all men" as well. So the basic point being, as far as we can tell, beer and wine are routinely mixed with things that we don't do today. I mean, I asked lots of big questions in the book, and I fully acknowledge that. So perhaps there's even more evidence. You might find it in a cemetery in Mexico. It's only in John that Jesus is described as being born in the lap of the Father, the [SPEAKING GREEK] in 1:18, very similar to the way that Dionysus sprung miraculously from the thigh of Zeus, and on and on and on-- which I'm not going to bore you and the audience. I just sense a great deal of structure and thoughtfulness going into this experience. We know that at the time of Jesus, before, during, and after, there were recipes floating around. The fact that the Vatican sits in Rome today is not an accident, I think, is the shortest way to answer that. Now, Brian managed to write this book while holding down a full time practice in international law based in Washington DC. That's the promise in John's gospel, in John 6:54-55, that I quote in the book. Like savory, wormwood, blue tansy, balm, senna, coriander, germander, mint, sage, and thyme. And so with a revised ancient history, in place Brian tacks back to the title of our series, Psychedelics and the Future of Religion. Brian's thesis, that of the Pagan Continuity Hypothesis, was explored by Alexander Hislop in his "The Two Babylons", 1853, as a Protestant treatise in the spirit of Martin Luther as Alexander too interjects the Elusinian Mysteries. What's different about the Dionysian mysteries, and what evidence, direct or indirect, do we have about the wine of Dionysus being psychedelic? And nor do I think that you can characterize southern Italy as ground zero for the spirit of Greek mysticism, or however you put it. [texts-excerpt] penalty for cutting mangroves in floridaFREE EstimateFREE Estimate It is my great pleasure to welcome Brian Muraresku to the Center. and he said, Brian, don't you dare. And I wonder and I question how we can keep that and retain that for today. So I don't write this to antagonize them or the church, the people who, again, ushered me into this discipline and into these questions. And I don't know if there's other examples of such things. I took this to Greg [? Now, I have no idea where it goes from here, or if I'll take it myself. And I started reading the studies from Pat McGovern at the University of Pennsylvania. That's, just absurd. The Tim Ferriss Show. Mark and Brian cover the Eleusinian Mysteries, the pagan continuity hypothesis, early Christianity, lessons from famed religious scholar Karen Armstrong, overlooked aspects of influential philosopher William James's career, ancient wine and ancient beer, experiencing the divine within us, the importance of "tikkun olam"repairing and .

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